Get Over It, Haters: 99designs Has Tipped

99designs, the highly controversial marketplace for crowd sourced designs, continues to march through the torches and pitchforks to build a pretty interesting business.

We last saw 99designs last April when they raised $35 million from Accel Partners to grow faster. Today, the company is announcing some significant momentum as a result.

It took four years for the company to get to 100,000 contests, and it expects to double that by the end of this year. The amount of money it’s paying out to designers is on the same trajectory: The company paid out $29 million to designers in the first four years of its life, and expects to pay another $25 million to designers this year. Designers have already earned double this month than they did a year ago in January on the site, and the number of design contests being run on the site has doubled year-over-year as well.

And yet, a very vocal minority of designers reading this will still call 99designs the death of the industry. I wrote a long piece here on why 99designs is so controversial and why I think designers need to get over themselves. Every service industry has been disrupted by the Web. You’re no different.

But 99designs founder Patrick Llewellyn is a lot nicer than I am. The hatred initially caught him by surprise, and rather than dismissing it, he’s worked hard to understand it. He has invested a lot of that new funding round in trying to make the platform better for designers. He’s devoted 20% of the resources for staff who help support the design community: Everything from making them “feel the love” to resolving disputes between different parties on the site.

They’ve run more recognition programs for good designers on the site, sending out Tshirts and modest bonuses and have invested in making the platform better for designers. And they’ve done good old fashioned grassroots marketing over social media and at in-person meet ups around the world. They recently held a meet up in a small town in Serbia where 90 designers turned out to a pub to toast the marketplace that had made a substantial difference in their fortunes.

99designs is also investing in some game mechanics to keep designers motivated: Things like ratings, leader boards and more contests and recognition for good work. (That may sound silly, but it can be effective. Tech blogs contort themselves in countless ways to inch up the TechMeme leaderboard.)

Typically the people who complain are somewhere below the top tier, but above entry level. The more established, high-end designers don’t worry about something like 99designs, because it focuses on things like logos and T-shirts. And many entry level designers love it because it gives them an easier way to get into the market and start making money.

It’s the people in the middle who haven’t yet made a name for themselves, but feel they are above designing logos and tshirts on spec who balk. And, speaking as someone who was in the same boat when journalism was ripped apart by the Web, I can relate. Here’s my advice: Embrace it. You can’t fight the Web’s power to compress service fees in the name of customer efficiency. The game has changed, but if you embrace the volatility first, you usually win. I jumped from old media in 2006, when it didn’t look possible to pay a mortgage off of blogging. And since then, I’ve made more money (and had way more fun) than I would have staying at a magazine.

Similarly, I talked to a few designers who’ve built staggering businesses off 99designs. Some are even hiring other designers to keep up with all the work. The smart ones treat 99designs like a business development tool and building longer relationships and more high-dollar work off of initial contests.

And these aren’t just people in Serbia who have a lower cost of living. These are people in New York and London. “I would say that half the contests that I have won have resulted in follow on work,” says Australian designer Chip Chase. “It’s a great starting point for business owners, yet they feel coming back to me privately is a smarter alternative than launching more contests. They already know I can deliver the goods.” Chase gets offended at the uproar around spec work. “99designs has been an amazing platform that has helped me launch my career as a graphic designer,” he says.

For Dean Rope, 99designs gave him a way to be a graphic designer and a stay-at-home dad, all from New Zealand, or as he says: “a small country at the bottom of the world.”

Michael Kirby, of London, is a very experienced designer and was initially a hater. But after trying the service, he’s reversed his opinion completely. He went back to 99designs because he was building a new design firm and wanted some quick jobs that would pay quickly. Within two weeks he won enough contests to make several thousand dollars– paid out to him fare more quickly than most clients do.

“I had replenished my client base with international clients, had signed over $10,000 in work, and then having completed that work was astounded to find that every single one of them paid me within a few hours of sending an invoice,” he says. Since then, he’s made another $20,000 from follow on work and $4,000in prizes, without ever needing to leave the house or write any proposals.

“When I think back to the amount of time I used to put into networking to meet people or writing proposals, none of which would guarantee work, the difference between traditional pitching and a bit of speculative work doesn’t seem that significant,” Kirby says. “The fact that 99designs drew me back after three years of not using it is a testament to how much it has changed and how much they have strived to improve the service in a relatively short amount of time.”

Nicholas Sheriff of New York describes the objections to 99designs as being more about fear than actual lost wages, since most of the haters have never actually used the site. “That’s to be expected though,” he says. “When a service is starting to go mainstream, it’s open up to a very large and very broad audience of whom some will say no by default. But those users like myself who are apart of the community, who really didn’t need 99designs at first, now see it as an inseparable part of their design firms growth and development. On 99designs I’m doing around $10k a month not only from contests won, but from referrals, clients connecting with me directly to develop a project after looking at my portfolio there.

“If many in arrogance want to leave free money on the table, let them do so. It’s not a question of if, but a question of when. Those who understand this are reaping the benefits, those who won’t are missing out on a tremendous opportunity for growth both personally and professionally.”

Put another way: That $25 million is going to go to someone this year. Designers have two choices: Get in the game or keep complaining on the sidelines.

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nyc_professional 5 pts

Shit companies that area going nowhere get Shit logos from designers that are going nowhere. It sounds like a perfect match...

 

This 99designs business model only benefits the owner. Why all of these people, "businesses" and "designers", would want to make that guy rich is beyond me.

I really get a kick out of the designers who are absolutely foaming at the mouth about design contests. I understand not wanting to work for free. So don't. But stop acting as if this is a labor camp in North Korea. It's a free exchange between two willing participants. If your work is so much better than you wouldn't have any problem winning the contests and if you're not as good, you're just pissed the market is weeding you out. If you're that much better than you don't have to worry about whatever is put out on 99designs. Yes, I've seen a lot of crappy design there and many crappy winners. But ultimately, the only thing that matters is if the guy paying the fee is happy. As has been said, the work that is put in is thought of as a marketing and networking tool as much as it is the means to an end. I'm going to use winning designers for other projects outside of 99D and probably contact other participants as well. Spare us the deeper meaning crap. Either participate or don't but stop whining. Business people who are looking for affordable design with choices don't care anyway.

too long.. Not necessary to read all this crap. Not going to participate some online 99designs contest scams that scams of my time

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Here's my take that will hopefully give some thought to ALL of you. First, I understand that this country has a supposed "Democracy", but if you honestly believe that the majority always have the right answers let alone the "right" and ethical purpose than I suggest you find a denial train and get on! That being said, I would like people to stop saying that because 99D is successful (making money and is popular) it therefore must be good. Hitler was successful in killing millions... any questions? There are two reasons why my opinion of 99D is declining, one of which was hidden even from myself until recently reading this article, the other is obvious and should be to many others who still wished we lived in a world where people had integrity and weren't so full of themselves that they wanted everything, right now, right here all served on a silver platter. But before I discuss the silver platter, let's talk about the hidden part shall we? Though the arguments both in the article and in these comments are concise, what really baffles me is that it doesn't change the overall, deep underlying problem of this whole mess. Aside from the obvious proven negative effects this type of site has on the economy (which we will get to later) designers/artists have gone from being enslaved for their skills by royalty to being treated with no respect for their abilities later in age followed by now being presently used as slaves once again. I believe it was one client who had asked me (after seeing my portfolio and loving it) if I would draw up several design ideas for free first before deciding whether or not she wanted to hire me. After all, I love to draw and therefore doing it for free should be a given right? I am a 32 year designer holding a film science degree and a bachelors degree in design and have no job. I am siphoning this countries welfare and am trying to figure out why. I have no criminal record, graduated second in my class with a 3.83 GPA and have won over 30 awards for my film and design. Yet, here I sit commenting on a site because after spending 80 hours of my time on 99Designs as a last resort, I still have nothing to show for. Agencies won't hire me because they know that they can get 10 year agencies veterans to work at low wage due to the desperate economy, and small business or food chains won't hire me because even if I tell a white lie and remove my degree information, they still find out one way or another and figure I would leave once offered a better, high paying job; so why train me right? Truth is, our country (and possibly the rest of the world) have taken what some consider elitism and completely annihilated any chance of there being uniqueness or individuality. There used to be silver screen actresses that are now replaced with reality tv whores with no acting experience aside from a psychologist standing on the sidelines trying to get them revved up by telling them what they need to hear in order to entertain us. There used to be diva singers that could out sing and out perform anyone else based on their sheer will and actual God given talent that are now replaced with American Idol contestants who think that all it takes to be a well respected icon is boobs and a few vocal lessons. And there used to be artists and designers who for a brief moment, owned the ad industry in proving that design could actually move people and motivate them to do things they never thought they would. However, now sites like 99Designs have come along and made the person who spent 80 grand for there education work for free because otherwise the clients are convinced that clip art for a logo or brand is acceptable - and now I have to decide whether or not to bring myself down to that level and just give it to them. 99Designs hurts me not because I am envious, but because I am exhausted from trying to explain to these clients that just because they like Chrysler's or Apple's logo, doesn't mean you should make it look as identical as possible to it without breaking any laws. When you have 100,000 "designers" working for free on a site like 99Designs, it makes it nearly impossible to win an argument as to why you shouldn't use the color hot pink on a man's shaving package when they can get the hot pink shaving package for next to nothing on their site. Kinda sounds like Wall Street and corporate takeover huh? My ex was a professionally licensed manicurist. And business had been falling between the cracks because unlicensed parlors were popping up all over, stealing clients for cheap prices, giving their clients nail infections and leaving a bad taste in the industry all over. I've seen this happen in wedding supply industries, plastic surgery industries.... the list goes on and on. And like 99Designs, there are no checks to make sure you are of legal age to be sued if you do manage to win a contest with copyrighted material; and aside from that the client is no more savvy to the fact that they have just been robbed since their logo is so obviously like that of everyone else they end up losing money and therefore their business because they get washed up in the mix. This integrated need that our society has to be "just as good" as the person next to you is getting way out of hand. Your parents may have told you "if you want something bad enough then you should just go for it" but the truth is, I have never heard a truly bad vocalist get good just because they wanted to. And when it comes to wannabe designers and artists that want to be such, all they are doing is following a set of rules without a lick of creative of intellectual thought. I went to college to hone my preexisting skills, not create them from scratch. Most of what I learned in college I already knew and completed naturally.... college just helped me put a name to what I was doing and give me the confidence I needed to make a portfolio and show my talent was actually worth something. However, college was just as much tainted as everything else. I missed out on many top awards because instructors felt that even though my work was literally the best, they felt it was necessary to award those who "improved the most" even if it meant they went from crap to semi-crap all because they wanted to fulfill that silver spoon mentality where every student wants an A for effort. So sadly I had to go outside of college to win awards because the one place where I should expect them if I do better than everyone else happens to be the one place where you don't want to smell like flowers if everyone else smells like shit. In the end, I can cry to the world and you can say "well it's the clients loss in the end". Truth is however, with the way things are and where they seem to be going, I don't think many of you sitting up in your office paid chairs with seemingly secure paychecks will be enjoying your luxury much longer... tis' a matter of time. Hell you can already get a divorce online in some states, see ya later lawyers! If all of this poor me storyline is numbing you I apologize, but I have to get you to ask yourself one major question that I have been pondering for some time now. How far will we go to excommunicate ourselves from communicating with each other before we realize that there is no one listening? I for one should have the right to get an official education in a field that I am found to be gifted at and be able to lead a healthy, happy basic life from doing so. And in this process I have found nothing but unethical inhabitants tell me I need to cheat, steal and walk all over everyone else just to get that. Now that's what I call a society that cares for one another in the hopes that we reach some kind of Utopian toilet? You want to complain about a designer making $8 Million off of one logo or an actress making $10 Million off of one film, or a football player making $17 Million of one years worth of gaming, then by all means I will be by your side arguing your fight. But because I can't even "win" enough money on 99Designs to pay my bills I have to file for bankruptcy. And because I now have bad credit with a bankruptcy attached, I can't even get a job at 80% of the places you think I normally would because here in the great state of New Jersey, an employer can do a credit check before hiring you and thus assume that you are a possible thief just because you the need cash to get ahead out of desperation. Did I mention no criminal record? Face it. A few entrepreneurs are making money off of a scheme that in the end takes advantage of the desperate or hopeful. As a result, the one's who shouldn't be participating are because they have no choice and business owners don't care, because they don't know any better and I am sure the owners of 99Designs would like to keep it that way. Like the previous post, I find it ironic that the owners of 99D can back this free labor as if they are only getting paid if they win their job. To the rest of you who don't care... why is it you wouldn't tell a degree holding doctor how to cut you open, but you are willing to tell a degree holding designer that pink is the best color to use for a man's workout equipment?

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99Designs will be/is the future! You'd better learn to play the game if you don't wanna left behind.

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"The haters are missing two things: An obvious reality and a hidden reality. The obvious one is: The Internet does this to nearly any business where a service provider is charging a premium because of an inefficient market. Graphic designers should be thrilled that it took so long to get to them. Go cry to travel agents, independent bookstores, music industry executives and anyone in old media. It’s a sucky reality, but a reality nonetheless." This is from the authors other article... i found it amusing. Go cry to travel agents, bookstores, and music industry executives.. Just a quick question for the author.. Did the travel agent own the planes or the hotels? The bookstores write ALL the books? Do the music industry executives sing all the songs? Seriously? You dont clearly see that these are not related to musicians, or authors? The obvious reality is that graphic design was at the FOREFRONT of the internet in terms of disrupting the inefficient market.. no longer did any business owner or corporation NEED to hire a permanent designer, the internet made it possible to get design work from any source in any location. Designers no longer depended upon galleries or anyone to display their work, the web allowed for several million new online galleries controlled by the artists and consumed by the world. The middle man of the old design firms fit into the categories of bookstores and music industry executives (though a few still thrive).. the artists are still here and always have been. The hidden reality is this is actually a digression.. this is once again inserting a middle man into an equation that doesnt require it. You need not pay a $49.00 fee in order to get access to designers or to a design solution. Does any research or thought go into these statements?

$29 million dollars for 100,000 projects = $290.00 per project hurray for designers!! your pimp is so noble!! what a joke.

Scott - It's important not to lose sight of the forest for the tress. It's not about one off projects... it's about relationship building for the long term. If you only focus on the first $300 you don't see the $2,000 in follow up work with that client. The math starts to look very different with a broader view. Cheers, Jason Jason Aiken Community Director 99designs

Jason, Ive been a designer for 15 years, me and you have spoken many times... i do not need the simplistic and offensive pandering or explanation of what you personally believe is a strong selling point. Come on man... I know youre a decent guy, but I dont tell you what youre worth, I dont serve as the arbiter for your salary.. trust me, if i did attempt to play that role you and 25 other "community directors" would be working for free.. Actually, id have all of you come in, pay for your own electricity, bring your own desks, provide your own computers, pay for the water you used to flush the toilet.. you'd obviously be charged to lease the office space that you occupied during your "contest". All of you would work on ideas and concepts and produce work product that benefited ME with the understanding that I would own it, ALL FOR FREE until i decided which one of you would "win" the position. Then id hire ONE, send the rest of you packing and pay the winner $8.00 an hour while trying to convince you that its for your own good... clearly "winning" will provide you with further $8.00 an hour paychecks.. id hate for you to miss the forest for the trees. Of course all of this would somewhat rely on my capacity to know what a good "community director" is... and... I would assume that if you applied you would by default understand that it meant that you had some sort of experience or appreciable skill, maybe a college degree.. I would assume in good faith that you'd go ahead and keep bringing your own desk and materials although you've already demonstrated to me that.. you will indeed work for free or for $8.00 an hour so... i see no reason to really increase that in any way, in fact, since you were so excited to make such a paltry amount of money i might drop your paychecks to $7.00... (afterall.. 24 others guys also showed me that they were willing to work for free too)... I think this sort of model would be welcomed by ALL "community directors" dont you? This is the process used to hire you at 99Designs wasnt it? You advocate this dont you? This is how everyone gets a job at 99Designs isnt it? Employees at 99Designs embrace and love this dont they? Im not a "community director".. but Im assuming that you would agree it would be good FOR YOU if i decided what the going rate for "community directors" are right? You trust me for that dont you? Dont miss the forest for the trees bro.. Like I said... this entire concept is nothing but a joke. Scott

"If you only focus on the first $300 you don’t see the $2,000 in follow up work with that client." That never happened to me. I won more than 30 contests and the few follow up work that I got, I had to lower my fees to compete with 99designs...

I would have to agree with you Steve. I don't know you or anyone on here, so I am not going to attack guest interaction skills... however, truth is it has more to do with the guest than the designer. Any individual (client) who thinks their best option is a site like 99designs is doing so on budget or pure "cheapness". That being said, any follow up work that "may" come from them probably wouldn't be worth it if for nothing else than the time it would take just to make them happy as they threaten to go back to 99D to get it done for cheaper. Don't get me wrong, I am quite certain that there are those "newbie" clients that end up leaving the nest of 99D and go off to bigger and brighter things once they see the "light" of what GOOD design can do for them, but in this desperate economy the only ones spending money are the uber rich, or those who want to make a quick buck to get by. Middle class business is falling to their knees in sight of the automated corporate industries. So go home and grown your lettuce, or buy it from IKEA.

redjr 5 pts

A client that is only willing to invest $300 for a logo, the most important visual identifier of their business, is unlikely to invest $2000 on any future collateral.

You don't know how to do Math $29 million minus the 99designs cost you know Jason Aiken needs to pay his Ferrari and employees too or unless they work in a crowd source environment? 29 million - estimate cost = $20 million 100.000 projects? Are we talking about the contest that has been successful or what about all the refunded contest? or the one that gets lock? 100.000 projects + (refunded+lock contest) = 150.000 projects $25 million for 120.000 projects will be less then $ 200

I cant believe how stupid people can be sometimes.

Great post. I believe that 99Designs and other crowdsourcing sites are here to stay. Copyright solutions will be applied soon but let's be honest; why do other designers worry about designs being copied when they themselves peek at other works for elemental inspiration? Besides, humans are proven to compete over a bounty that is worth fighting for. Crowdsourcing just capitalized that hundred thousand year old mentality :) I have been a whiner against 99Designs before but now I am converted. I realized that I cant waste my time complaining and wait for solutions. Instead I used those times to try and participate. My conversion was worth it. I've built a stable client list and a variable income aside from my stable one. I suggest to critics to halt their worries and ride this big wave while it's here. You'll earn good money and even build a client list if you believe that you can deliver optimal creativity. From here, there's no stopping sites like 99Designs. See the glass half-full.

One of the best ways to get your feet wet and test your chops. Its a great way to build confidence ...

I have won about 7 contest, made quite some money with 99designs. Nevertheless I think 90% of the designs sold there are completely rubbish and designers are not paid enough for the work most of the clients ask for.

The industry has been dead ever since the technology & software became accessibility for everyone. Theres a army wannabe designers with college degrees who will work for next to nothing, dreaming of hitting the big time. Additionally the internet has opened the market to outsource to countries who can work for next to nothing and deliver good results. Its worth remembering that a lot "good" design never cost a lot of money. Yet i still feel a lot the work on sites like 99 designs is recycled ( maybe like a lot of work ) and disposable. The designers only have themselves to blame if they work for free. Its just a shame they dont realise that businesses can afford to pay and theyre are denying other designers income. Long have the "Ad Men" glory days gone from the design industry. I think designers have to realise if they want to make big money they need to start a business (not in the design industry) & not leech of others. I was trained as graphic designer and have 6 years industry experiance and i finally realised i need to move on. Ive seen too many big name agencies crash and burn from losing one or two clients. 99 designs fills a need and does it well, people get what they pay for. They might get the odd gem but most of the time its diamontes.

^no spec, could you enter a design comp on 99designs and see what a 'good logo' should be? It's high stool and supposed elite designers like you that these articles are all about. I have been freelancing most of my professional life and a lot of great work I've seen is from 99designs, and I can also say a lot of my bet work is produced through that site too.

Miseducating clients, corrupting the design process and devaluing legitimate creative work, one bad logo at a time!

Every company has it's critics... yet for me? 99designs has been extremely benificial for me over the past 3 years, both professionally and socially. I commit to my private clients first and foremost(many of which I established relations with via 99designs), but will never stop short of my committments to 99designs and enter contests on a regular basis... and will continue to do so. The nit picking at such minor 'negatives' must stop. Take the time to understand the mass amount of POSITIVES 99designs has to offer. The statistics speak for themselves. Stop hatin' on success and join in on it;)

Hating 99d falls on attitude problem. For designers that can not accept the reality that the game is changing and they can not go on with it. Just like the manual artist painting a billboard for a movie promotion, if you can not leave your brush behind, then you will be left behind. And to the 99d haters, do not be afraid of us. cheer up. Lols!

We've been going through a completely similar process at Poptent, but for video. It's a strange battle to fight, as we're simple in a place that's riding technology to it's next conclusions. There's SO much opportunity for those - in our case - filmmakers who embrace this new way of doing business. The naysayers and hand-wring and fret, but they won't win this game. And it's not because we're trying to kill them, but that they simply could not accept the sea change happening around them. We've just produced - through our crowdsourced community - our first commercial that'll run on the Super Bowl. Perhaps the tide has already come in... Mark Schoneveld, Director of Community

Would love to hear your view on crowdspring.com and other competitors in this space? I used crowdspring and was happy with it - cheaper than 99design. Quality was good too....

We've been big fans of 99designs, and you are spot-on in your analysis. We at Blogmutt are disrupting the work of blogging for business blogs in a similar way, but there are a couple of key differences. 99designs disrupts by taking money from one pot, and putting it in another. Before 99designs people spent money on logos, and now they spend less, or perhaps a similar amount, but it goes to them. We at Blogmutt are creating a market from scratch, selling a weekly blog writing service to businesses for a flat, low monthly fee. Small- and medium-sized businesses didn't really spend money before on blog content, and now they do. You could argue that it's money that in the old days may have gone to the yellow pages or something, but it never went to writers, now it does. 99designs produces much better work than one person working alone, but most of that work gets thrown out. About 99 percent. I think that's one part of the resentment that's out there that you didn't really touch on. With Blogmutt about 90 percent of the content is getting used. This is because blogging is an ongoing need. If a post isn't the best one week, the writer can tweak it and improve it and later it will probably get used. With 99designs, the designers and the customers together really learn about what the needs are, but then after the contest all that learning is essentially lost, which is just the nature of design work. With Blogmutt all that learning helps the writers to create better and better posts every week. We've heard some grumbling from some writers along the lines that you mentioned in this post, but the ones who are most successful writing on Blogmutt tell me they really enjoy it. For some it's a way to make some "walking around" money and for others it's just a chance to get to be better writers, something that doesn't happen over night, as Ira Glass will tell you. ( http://blog.blogmutt.com/2012/01/10/why-the-blogmutt-freelance-writing-opportunity-can-make-you-a-better-writer/ ) Sorry, long comment. But I am a writer!

I have been a designer on 99designs from the very beginning. I have read along those years a lot of controversial articles especially on those No-Spec guys. The truth...well the truth is set somewhere between clients and designers willing to use the website. As for my self, i worked hard and for long periods and i can say that i have gained a large portfolio of clients that provided me projects along years. As every crowdsourcing website it has it's good and bads, but this is the most powerful platform i know yet, and i have been a member on quite a few of them. Copyright issues? Sure? Copyright issues are a daily basis even when you are showing your portfolio on a web gallery. Low prices - oh yeah, that is an issue for a person like the guy who designed the London 2012 logo. It's easy to throw a couple of shapes on the paper and later claim 800.000 quids for it. The price range in the 99designs contest list is a large one so you can pick whatever fits you. I believe that 99designs is one of the most successful businesses and will keep growing and as long as it keeps growing and growing i will too. Cheers all

I agree with J ^ You should always put the link to the website you're covering.

why is there not a link to 99designs? even ur techcrunch article has the link to the site you are covering?

after visiting your new site for a few days i thought it looked really bland. why don't you hire an illustrator that does an original funny sketch for each article, like stuart goldberg does for david pogue at the NYT? (instead of that pinoccio pic, you paid no license for) now that i read this article i think you should use 99design for your next 10 articles - with the shitload of money you raised i think you can spare 10*300$ for these sketches. and maybe you'll like one illustrator so much, he'll do all the illustrations for pandodaily in the future.

99designs seems like a good way to get started as a Graphic Artist and it sounds like some have done pretty well with it. Those complaining have to learn to embrace the web (just like Hollywood should) and if you don't like the way that things work at 99designs, it sounds like a great opportunity for a new startup :-)

It's not the shoddy spec model that bothers designers. It's the strange persistence of tech media pundits claiming the work is any good. Why don't you populate your site with dross from Demand Media if disruption is such an unimpeachable good?

Demand Media is an interesting comparison - Not to say there isn't "some" good stuff in the mix. ---------- But as you mention Sarah, it doesn't affect established designers as they're rarely working on just a logo but instead branding and corporate identity. Of course the quality of the design coming out of the contests depends a lot on the client input. A really good brief produces better designs. ---------- As a side note...I've heard that some medium to high end designers take advantage of the contest system - run one, get a ton of reference designs as input and then do their own thing. They use the system as they would apprentices in a design studio, let the youngsters play and see what comes of it.

design ideas can be easily copied if revealed publicly, so, I don't like so much services like 99designs, however, it's an useful site for those who like this kind of challenge

Great post. Most complaints I here from designers entail, the low pay, working for nothing if they lose competitions and copyright issues. But those predicaments always arise with crowdsourcing based businesses. It will be interesting to see (if they haven't already) approached these issues. I am not a designer btw. Just some things I have noticed on blogs/