Sep 27, 2016 ยท 0 minutes

Last night Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump squared off in the first 2016 Presidential Debate.

A few hours earlier, Leigh Cowart joined me live from Asheville, North Carolina to talk about her recent visit to a Donald Trump rally and also to offer her predictions for the debate (including one involving Hillary transforming into a lizard.)

If you haven't already read Leigh's reportage from the fifth circle of hell, you'll find the piece here on Pando. Either way, you can listen to the full show below. And then go here to listen to the second of our podcast double bill -- post-game analysis featuring me, Sarah Lacy and James Aylett.